Shadow boxing with an imaginary enemy : a response to “law and order blues”

Indermaur, David, Brown, David, Egger, Sandra, & Hogg, Russell (2002) Shadow boxing with an imaginary enemy : a response to “law and order blues”. Australian and New Zealand Journal of Criminology, 35(2), pp. 145-158.

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In our rejoinder to Don Weatherburn's paper, “Law and Order Blues”, we do not take issue with his advocacy of the need to take crime seriously and to foster a more rational approach to the problems it poses. Where differences do emerge is (1) with his claim that he is willing to do so whilst we (in our different ways) are not; and (2) on the question of what this involves. Of particular concern is the way in which his argument proceeds by a combination of simple misrepresentation of the positions it seeks to disparage, and silence concerning issues of real substance where intellectual debate and exchange would be welcome and useful. Our paper challenges, in turn, the misrepresentation of Indermaur's analysis of trends in violent crime, the misrepresentation of Hogg and Brown's Rethinking Law and Order, the misrepresentation of the findings of some of the research into the effectiveness of punitive policies and the silence on sexual assault in “Law and Order Blues”. We suggest that his silence on sexual assault reflects a more widespread unwillingness to acknowledge the methodological problems that arise in the measurement of crime because such problems severely limit the extent to which confident assertions can be made about prevalence and trends.

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ID Code: 68078
Item Type: Journal Article
Refereed: Yes
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DOI: 10.1375/acri.35.2.145
ISSN: 1837-9273
Subjects: Australian and New Zealand Standard Research Classification > LAW AND LEGAL STUDIES (180000) > LAW (180100)
Divisions: Current > QUT Faculties and Divisions > Faculty of Law
Current > Schools > School of Justice
Copyright Owner: Copyright 2002 Sage Publications Ltd.
Deposited On: 05 Mar 2014 22:58
Last Modified: 05 Mar 2014 22:58

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